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		<title>By: Kenneth Kalmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Kalmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James, I agree with you on trying stuff for learning. Jordan pointed out the dangers of re-implementing existing code in Ruby based purely on the neatness factor of doing it. Keeping the brain free of cobwebs is definitely a healthy exercise.

As for the unrelated thought, your spot on. I&#039;m hoping that daemon-kit will always be friendly to its users so they never end up fighting the framework. This is a big motivator for the rewrite, the easier it is to &quot;build&quot; the environments, the easier it will be to shape it to your exact requirements. It should be, like Jamis put it some time ago, like &quot;play dough&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James, I agree with you on trying stuff for learning. Jordan pointed out the dangers of re-implementing existing code in Ruby based purely on the neatness factor of doing it. Keeping the brain free of cobwebs is definitely a healthy exercise.</p>
<p>As for the unrelated thought, your spot on. I&#8217;m hoping that daemon-kit will always be friendly to its users so they never end up fighting the framework. This is a big motivator for the rewrite, the easier it is to &#8220;build&#8221; the environments, the easier it will be to shape it to your exact requirements. It should be, like Jamis put it some time ago, like &#8220;play dough&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Kalmer</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcery.co.za/2009/08/09/looking-beyond-daemon-kit-02/comment-page-1/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Kalmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John good point, I think I should almost dare call it &quot;build&quot; time since it does exactly that, build the environment for the daemonized code. I&#039;ll still refine the terminology over time, feedback like this helps a lot to cement the concept.

Thanks !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John good point, I think I should almost dare call it &#8220;build&#8221; time since it does exactly that, build the environment for the daemonized code. I&#8217;ll still refine the terminology over time, feedback like this helps a lot to cement the concept.</p>
<p>Thanks !</p>
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		<title>By: James Edward Gray II</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcery.co.za/2009/08/09/looking-beyond-daemon-kit-02/comment-page-1/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>James Edward Gray II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a Sintra-esque DSL for building daemons sounds super fun.

I also think trying things &quot;because they are neat&quot; is actually very healthy.  What&#039;s the worse that could happen?  You could fail and realize it was a terrible idea that you wasted an insane amount of time on?  Right!  So what are you worried about?  :D  Seriously, I think playing around is good.  It keeps the brain from getting all cobwebby.

Random semi-unrelated thought:  I saw another daemon library just the other day that would cause me fits.  When I build a daemon I often need to build my own CLI interface.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s an unreasonable request.  What if I want to be able to queue emails to me mail sender from the CLI, for example.  Thus a library/framework that forces me into its own interface limits my ability to use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a Sintra-esque DSL for building daemons sounds super fun.</p>
<p>I also think trying things &#8220;because they are neat&#8221; is actually very healthy.  What&#8217;s the worse that could happen?  You could fail and realize it was a terrible idea that you wasted an insane amount of time on?  Right!  So what are you worried about?  <img src='http://www.opensourcery.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Seriously, I think playing around is good.  It keeps the brain from getting all cobwebby.</p>
<p>Random semi-unrelated thought:  I saw another daemon library just the other day that would cause me fits.  When I build a daemon I often need to build my own CLI interface.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s an unreasonable request.  What if I want to be able to queue emails to me mail sender from the CLI, for example.  Thus a library/framework that forces me into its own interface limits my ability to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mettraux</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcery.co.za/2009/08/09/looking-beyond-daemon-kit-02/comment-page-1/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mettraux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kenneth,

excellent news :) Maybe the rack analogy is hard to live with, people (me the first) think run time but you mean configuration time... Sorry, can&#039;t think of a better image/comparison to suggest.

Keep up the great work !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kenneth,</p>
<p>excellent news <img src='http://www.opensourcery.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe the rack analogy is hard to live with, people (me the first) think run time but you mean configuration time&#8230; Sorry, can&#8217;t think of a better image/comparison to suggest.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work !</p>
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